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Ironically, same as the ACME approved list!
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You are right about this. It's been discussed... without resolution.I’ve been thinking about this for a few days, and the thing that concerns me is that every public CATO is potentially bad publicity for the hobby.
Very discouraging for Johnny when his rocket blows up.Sure, our kit or scratch built is a loss for us personally, but what is the effect on Dan Average who is passing the park, looking at potentially a great hobby for little Johnny, and sees a rocket ‘explode’?
I did a group photo as well. You can only upload one photo. I have another that clearly shows the date code. I will send that if they want it.
Yep! I agree 100% on the "Public CATO" bad image factor is not good for us at all. I pretty much avoid launching where non-rocketeers may be now due the CATO rate, otherwise I'd launch more publicly to draw interest. Good point that you're bringing up. Thanks.I’ve been thinking about this for a few days, and the thing that concerns me is that every public CATO is potentially bad publicity for the hobby.
Sure, our kit or scratch built is a loss for us personally, but what is the effect on Dan Average who is passing the park, looking at potentially a great hobby for little Johnny, and sees a rocket ‘explode’?
The failure rate on some of these motors, D12, 13 mm A and others, is much higher than your local council, neighbours or friendly landowners might expect.
I’m open for flak and/or discussion. Just concerned about public perception of our hobby, which has an excellent safety record, being undermined by these incidents. Vern Estes worked very hard to make this hobby safe for all of us, participants and spectators alike.
I wonder if clubs will ban D12 motors with those date codes for that reason. I hope not, because my CATO Bait rocket is very entertaining.Yep! I agree 100% on the "Public CATO" bad image factor is not good for us at all.
Actually, I'm a bit more paranoid about distance. I do at least 30ft for LPR, 75ft for MPR.It's safe, even if they CATO, as long as you're following the safe distances as per NAR/TRA. Just don't put them into a monocopter where you don't know where that fireball will go! It would be like Russian Rocket Roulette!.
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Very discouraging for Johnny when his rocket blows up.
I was flying rockets with the grandsons when we had a D12 CATO. Fortunately, is wasn't one of theirs.
I'm wondering, don't know, but its seems to make sense, that all 3 in the same pack would have the same date code.The form says to upload a photo. I have 6 unopened packs, they would be simple enough to photograph as a group. But if they want evidence of date codes, I'll have to photo each separately, as many only show the date code when viewed from the side.
What are the rest of you doing for a photo?
Thanks,
Hans.
The Motor Hokey Pokey is easier than I thought. Spun a motor in each of 6 packs where the date is showing clearly in a group photo.It is possible to spin the motors in the packages until the date code on one is facing up. I held one engine pinched in the plastic and backing and gently flipped the package back and forth in my hand and the other motor turned slightly with each flip. I stopped when the code was facing up
Then took the group photo of the 7 packs.
Actually, what do you mean by "crashed" your Big Daddy?Wish I'd known this before my last launch, one of these crashed my Big Daddy. I'm guessing it was also one of these that crashed my Astron Explorer months ago, but I don't still have that motor to check.
I've filled out the form, now I guess I just wait.![]()
There, fixed itActually, what do you mean by "crashed" your Big Daddy?
Actually, what do you mean by "crashed" your Big Daddy?
https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/big-daddy-lawn-darts-show-of-hands-please.131851/
They'll replace the engines, but maybe more. I did have my scratch built Christmas tree that was destroyed, and they sent me a Pro Series Parts Assortment, which was more than I could have expected and I thought generous (although I had to nag them for 2 months to respond to me). For a different brand of rocket, they "might" give you a similar sized one of theirs, but no guarantee on that.So lets say you have a Estes D-12-5 CATO in a rocket made by another company. How does estes handle the recompense?
Maybe they borrowed the formula from the Qjets.....The nozzle clay color seems to be shades lighter on the recalled motors.
Same with a few D12-0 and C11-3's that I have. I included them in the picture I sent, with a note in the picture, and they are clearly separate from the others. Not sure what they will do/say. As someone else mentioned earlier, these could have been made on a different machine and are not a problem. If that's true, that would explain why they were not on the list. Time will tell.D12-7's are not on Estes list. I have a couple with a lot code that is on the list. Any thoughts on the issue?
I noted them in the pic I sent as well. Hope is not a plan, but I hope they get it sorted out. I have some older LP rockets I like to fly with those motors.Same with a few D12-0 and C11-3's that I have. I included them in the picture I sent, with a note in the picture, and they are clearly separate from the others. Not sure what they will do/say. As someone else mentioned earlier, these could have been made on a different machine and are not a problem. If that's true, that would explain why they were not on the list. Time will tell.
Where can I find a list of date codes for these?13mm motors that ended up getting recalled.
I only see the D12 codes listed there.Go to the Estes site and click the ribbon at the top of the screen.
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