Thoughts and Comments on Current Russian,Ukrainian Conflict/War

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CalebJ said:
I'm not sure how successfully they'd survive an environment where we don't control the airspace.
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I think that's exactly what they were designed for. The Fulda Gap was not going to be a fun place when the Russian/W. German tanks began to roll.
 
Greg Furtman said:
I just ran across a Japanese news report about the Swedish Gripen. Sweden might be sending Gripens to Ukraine.

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And how long to train the pilots on the Gripen? Plus setting up the proper logistics to support the aircraft.
Last I heard the F16 training is still not complete. Expectation is between May and August of this year.
 
les said:
And how long to train the pilots on the Gripen? Plus setting up the proper logistics to support the aircraft.
Last I heard the F16 training is still not complete. Expectation is between May and August of this year.
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That's one of the virtues of the Gripen, it's designed around minimal and mobile logistics and support crew.

You won't find many current or ex jet fighter pilots who would argue that the Gripen isn't the best 4+ gen fighter available for Ukraine's current needs.

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les said:
And how long to train the pilots on the Gripen? Plus setting up the proper logistics to support the aircraft.
Last I heard the F16 training is still not complete. Expectation is between May and August of this year.
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And that's just for the first "wave" of pilots that already spoke English. There's rumored to be a following wave of pilots that started on ESL training before starting on the F16 specific training.
 
They have to increase domestically produced weapons. War fatigue has crept into the West. The US Government dragged it's feet for months over aid to Ukraine. Leaving them with a pittance of what they needed and gave Putin what he needed. My other comments along those lines I'll keep to myself. Every military in the World is watching what is happening in Ukraine. Force structure and defense plans are being rewritten. Large ticket systems are being cancelled in favor of inexpensive systems. Less jets for more drones. New companies are popping up all through the defense industry with innovative ideas. Seems every few weeks something new comes out.
 
News headline this morning was that Estonia (a NATO country) was seriously discussing a troop deployment to Ukraine. I didn't read the article so I have no idea if that was conditional or not.
 
Peartree said:
News headline this morning was that Estonia (a NATO country) was seriously discussing a troop deployment to Ukraine. I didn't read the article so I have no idea if that was conditional or not.
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IIRC, it wasn't conditional, but their troops doing stuff far from the front. I'm guessing training, logistics, and the like.
 
It starting to look fairly bad for Ukraine. Based on history, this could start to be the end. I sure hope not. More and more it looks like the old Empire will win.
 
France is kicking around the idea of actively intervening. Currently the criteria are:

1.). Russia breaks through the lines

2.). Ukraine requests direct foreign intervention.

https://www.france24.com/en/france/...oops-for-ukraine-if-russia-breaks-front-lines

I notice that it does not appear that he clarified what French troops might actually do. It might be that the plan is for foreign units to stay in the rear and free up Ukrainian units to go to the front. I think getting foreign units to the front would be a worst-case outcome. Keeping a direct war between nuclear-armed powers conventional seems like it’d be a tall order.
 
cwbullet said:
It starting to look fairly bad for Ukraine. Based on history, this could start to be the end. I sure hope not. More and more it looks like the old Empire will win.
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Maybe. At the very least the Russians are trying to overextend the Ukrainian defenses. I don't think they have the ability to directly assault Kharkiv, but if they can get close enough for regular artillery, then that would not be good. I also don't see a wholesale collapse, but you don't really know. Ukraine has a severe manpower shortage and recruitment issues. The belated weapons shipments will help, but it won't matter much without recruits.
 
cwbullet said:
It starting to look fairly bad for Ukraine. Based on history, this could start to be the end. I sure hope not. More and more it looks like the old Empire will win.
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For the moment, they're still critically short of almost everything. The first of the latest aid package is only now starting to arrive.

Even so, Ukraine is making Russian advancement VERY expensive.
 
I just saw, about 10pm PST, that Shoigu has been fired. Sand Box news thinks that could be bad for Ukraine because Shoigu was inept and any replacement would do better. We, the West, must get Ukraine more and better air defenses what ever it costs.
 
teepot said:
I just saw, about 10pm PST, that Shoigu has been fired. Sand Box news thinks that could be bad for Ukraine because Shoigu was inept and any replacement ewould do better. We, the West, must get Ukraine more and better air defenses what ever it costs.
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Maybe. But he was replaced by an accountant with zero military experience.
 

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